Skip to content
HN On Hacker News ↗

Making Chicken Transparent Using Dorito Dust

▲ 353 points • 87 comments • by crescit_eundo • 3w ago • HN discussion ↗

Pangram verdict · v3.3

We believe that this text is a mix of AI and human-written content.

17 %

AI likelihood · overall

Mixed
84% human-written 16% AI-generated
SEGMENTS · HUMAN 1 of 1
SEGMENTS · AI 0 of 1
WORD COUNT 1,681
PEAK AI % 3% · §1
Analyzed
Oct 17
backend: pangram/v3.3
Segments scanned
1 windows
avg 1681 words each
Distribution
84 / 16%
human / AI fraction
Verdict
Mixed
Pangram v3.3

Article text · 1,681 words · 1 segments analyzed

Human AI-generated
§1 Human · 3%

Thank you Adaobi for such a wonderful suggestion. All credit to her for the idea, we are still workin’ on it!My genius friend Adaobi Adibe sent me a paper on making biological tissues transparent. In “Achieving optical transparency in live animals with absorbing molecules”, the authors make biological tissues, like chicken breast, transparent by soaking them in a solution of tartrazine. Tartrazine is the very bright yellowish-orange food dye that is found on Doritos.We aim to do a more ambitious replication imminently. But as a warm up, I tried to replicate parts of this protocol by soaking chicken breast in tartrazine solution. I got partial transparency but not to the degree of the paper. The sample below is an approximately 2mm thick raw chicken breast cut from a 5mm slice that was soaked in ~0.19 M tartrazine solution for 6 hours at room temperature. I took an image of this with a desk light. You can see the grid lines showing through from underneath. The chicken, even though the texture to the touch is the same, has a visual quality like that of gummy bears.The original paper used 0.62 M, 40 °C and a machine shaker, but I couldn't find a way to do this safely, nor did I have the equipment to do so. Hence the altered protocol.The image below is a different angle of my sample. The sample on the left is the same 2mm thick chicken breast slice as above. And the sample on the right is a control where I soaked it in water (it is slightly yellow since this process is super messy and I got dust on it).In the top part of the sample we do see some transparency, with the 5mm x 5mm grid showing through. The visual quality of the chicken breast takes on a gummy-bear like quality. Kinda makes me wanna chew it if it wouldn't give me Salmonella.I don't wanna get copyrighted by Doritos so here is a cartoon of where you can find tartrazine in the wild.How does this work? The current model we have is that the absorbance properties of the tartrazine also shift the refractive index of water. By pushing the refractive index of water to that of protein and lipid solution, we make the object more transparent. I’ll explain this in great detail later. Tartrazine was from APC Pure. It was >80% dye content, which means some uncertainty over what the true molar concentration will be. I then prepared three concentrations of tartrazine at these molar concentrations, one of which was just a 0 concentration as a control.Tartrazine: 0 g, Tap water: 20 g, w/w: 0%, Molality (mol/kg water): 0, Tartrazine (mmol): 0, Molarity (approx.): 0 M (control)Tartrazine: 2 g, Tap water: 18 g, w/w: 10%, Molality (mol/kg water): 0.21, Tartrazine (mmol): 3.7, Molarity (approx.): ~0.19 MTartrazine: 6 g, Tap water: 14 g, w/w: 30%, Molality (mol/kg water): 0.80, Tartrazine (mmol): 11.2, Molarity (approx.): ~0.56 MTartrazine has M = 534.4 g/mol. Moles use the nominal mass (the powder is >80% dye, so true values are up to ~15% lower). Molarity assumes a final solution volume of ~20 mL.This is what the tartrazine looked like. It doesn't have an odour, and it seems to be considered food safe by the FDA, so I didn't bother wearing gloves for this bit. Here is a picture of the tartrazine and the specs.Product: Tartrazine E102 FG, C.I. 19140Dye content: >80%Molecular formula: C16H9N4Na3O9S2Molecular weight: 534.37 g/molλmax (in water): 425 nmWater-insoluble matter: <0.20%Subsidiary dyes: <1.00%Heavy metals (as Pb): <40 mg/kgTo prepare the solutions I used a jeweller's scale to weigh out the right amounts and then added tap water to the weights listed in the table.To dissolve the tartrazine, I mixed it with a glass stirrer at room temperature until there were no visible lumps.¹Here are the different solutions at different concentrations, the most concentrated one on the left, the middle concentration in the middle, and then a water control on the right.Next, I got chicken breast fillets from Tesco. I cut a 5mm thick slab and then cut three pieces out to around 15mm in length.I then soaked 5mm thick slices of chicken breast in each of the three solutions.After 6 hours of soaking, these were the results.First, the chicken in the highest concentration solution failed, because the tartrazine seemed to crystallise. This is what it looked like - it got all crusty.For the middle concentration (~0.19 M), the chicken appeared gelatinous. But it wasn't transparent. The control chicken remained completely opaque.I threw these pieces out and then tried again with the method below.And then I tried again with the same procedure, with the aim of soaking it for 12 hours at room temperature. Given the issues with the highest concentration (~0.56 M), I only tried the water control and the middle concentration (~0.19 M). But this time I put the chicken in test tubes and covered it, given that I was gonna leave it out for 12 hours at room temperature. I wanted to mitigate the food safety risk.This was the 12-hour-soaked piece. Whilst it's hard to see with the camera, there was some slight visible translucency compared to the control.To examine it I put it under some light above.I then cut approximately 2mm slices of chicken. This was quite fiddly to do with a small slimy piece. Here is what it looked like compared to the control.This technique has been used to make fluorescence imaging much easier in live animals. On my end, doing this well could add to the set of things that independent scientists could image at home. We might be able to probe internal structures of things more casually. Making things transparent would give better images and would allow independent scientists to look at tissue structure more closely.Effective observation at low cost is one of the themes of my research. I wrote about writing tracing software for Brownian particles using my microscope in my last post. I am also thinking about trying to match the performance of CO2 gas sensing using pressure, which would make that type of sensing cheaper. In line with this theme, I’m super excited about attempting weird and cool techniques to make structures more easier to probe!Here’s is more than you ever wanted to know about optical transparency. A material can be opaque for two reasons. First, a material can absorb light and block it. Second, it can scramble light due to different refractive indices.First, light rays from the other side could be absorbed when they pass through. If light is absorbed, the light can't hit your eyes and you can't see the other side. Light can have multiple wavelengths, and the wavelengths absorbed by the material are determined by the material's spectra. To calculate the spectra, we can approximate the physical behaviour of molecules to that of an electron around a potential. The Schrödinger equation tells us that this system can only occupy a discrete set of energies, and it tells us which ones these are. The differences between these energies set the wavelengths that are ultimately absorbed by the material.In reality, materials are composed of lots of different things and so we expect them to also absorb different wavelengths.Another reason for opacity is less obvious, but more interesting. The refractive index of a material tells us how quickly light travels within the medium. When light travels between materials with different refractive indices, it deflects slightly. When a material is packed with sub-materials that have different refractive indices, the refraction within causes light rays to get scattered since light rays ping around.Biological materials contain a mix of different sub-materials inside - fibres, cells, proteins, and more. Each of these materials contains a different refractive index. When you have a material with one refractive index embedded in a material with a different refractive index, you get scattering. This scattering causes the light from the other side to get scrambled. The diagram below shows this.We can model biological materials as a 'base material' of water, with chunks of lipids and proteins embedded inside, all of which have different refractive indices.To make something transparent, we need to exploit the two causes of opacity. One approach is to try to change the absorbance spectra of a material so that it absorbs fewer wavelengths of light.Alternatively (and this is the approach we'll cover in this post), we could try to change the refractive index of the water inside to match the embedded media. The image below shows this principle with biological tissues. If you can change the refractive index of water with a dye, you can then match it to the refractive index of proteins and lipids, which is slightly higher.If you manage to do this without modifying the absorbance of a material, you should be able to make it more transparent.Ok, so the game is to change the refractive index. Here is a map of the calculations we need to do to figure out how to modify the refractive index of a material.To understand where the refractive index plays a part in a quantitative model, let's model how light travels according to Maxwell. Light is an electromagnetic wave, comprised of oscillating electric and magnetic waves. For this essay, let's focus on the electric field part to get the key intuitions.Using complex representation, if light travels down the z axis, in a vacuum, we can write down the equation of light as the following. Because it's a wave, we can write\(E(z, t) = E_0 \cos\!\left(\frac{\omega z}{c} - \omega t\right)\)But for convenience we use complex numbers\(E(z, t) = \mathrm{Re}\left\{ E_0\, e^{\,i\omega z / c \;-\; i\omega t} \right\}\)Where E₀ is the amplitude (how strong the field is), ω is the angular frequency (at a fixed point the field goes round once every T = 2π/ω), c is the speed of light, z is distance along the beam and t is time. Crest to crest, the wavelength is λ = 2πc/ω.In media though, we expect both the speed of light to change in the medium, as well as some absorption. We can rewrite the equation as follows\(E(z, t) =